New Seige Rules

ThePCG · Dec 2nd 2018, 11:59pm

My Friends And I have Been looking for a New Server and We Love ME EU but the offline seige rule after 72 Hour Has Been an Issue. Open to any ideas or modifications

(SIEGING) Sieges - MUST be announced in game with a 15 minute heads up to the defenders before the siege starts, stating the name of who you are sieging! Declaration is per location. Declaration is also for the WHOLE house. No actions from either party within the first 15 minutes.- If a house has 5 members or less 1 person needs to be online to be sieged. Otherwise 2 members need to be online.- Solo players(not in a house) may still be sieged.- No repairs or building allowed during siege! (Applies to large grids)

(SIEGE END CONDITIONS)- If no action is taken within 15minutes.- Negotiations / both parties agree.- All defenders or attackers log out.Contact staff if someone attempts to log out to avoid siege.

Why? This Would Lead To Better RP and In General More Fun For The Populace If Implemented

Lobstermaster · Dec 3rd 2018, 12:14am

What I like about this is it replaces the 72 Hr wait time, with the requirement that the opponent be online. Sieging an undefended castle is hardly engaging nor fair.

shad · Dec 3rd 2018, 1:27am

The 72h wait time is to give the other party a chance to prepare themsevles for war and to give players the opportunity to declare war, even if the player is not online (Forum & Discord).
Though, I was never a fan of the idea to siege offline people either, on the other hand, I don't like the idea of having such an extremely short time window (your proposed 15min) between a war declaration and taking actions. I would like to keep the opportunity to be able to prepare yourself for war, but find a way to avoid offline-sieging.

For short term assaults we have the "Raiding"-rule, which allows you at least to use hand weapons to make your way into a castle.
I can't wrap my head around the concept of declaring war and start sieging a place a couple of minutes after.

Lobstermaster · Dec 3rd 2018, 1:34am

I think we misread the rules. We thought the 72hr wait was for a single siege, not for a war. Our primary concern is getting offline sieged during a war. How about if the wait time is dropped to 48 hrs, and a stipulation is added that offline sieging is illegal during a war?

Lobstermaster · Dec 3rd 2018, 1:39am

We are used to a very different rule set, from Valanor. After rereading your rules we see merit in your approach. On Valanor rules governed individual sieges. When we first read your rules we thought the 72 hr timer meant we had to wait 72 hours before each siege, rather than before a war starts. An ongoing war sounds fun.

ThePCG · Dec 3rd 2018, 1:42am

How About this:

(Wars) need a proper war declaration 48h in advance in this topic and in the #diplomacy channel with a @ping on our Discord server
in order to attack. After that time, you are allowed to attack with
hand weapons and heavy siege equipment, only if the player is online.
You must have major cause to start a war, such as crucial road blocking,
past raiding, two houses claiming the same kingdom, religious conflict,
sustained insults and disputes etc. The reasons must be declared and
also the terms of surrender. I.e. you must say under what conditions the
war can end.

Rkthegreat · Dec 3rd 2018, 9:23am

I think it's a good change, never liked the option to offline siege, don't think it ever happened though.

shad · Dec 3rd 2018, 1:03pm

This is seems to be a valid and fairly obvious approach and I am not sure why we haven't done it like that before.

ThePCG · Dec 3rd 2018, 11:40pm

Like lob said we're from valanor so we come from a different set of rules mostly based on previous combat situation

Tenhur · Dec 4th 2018, 5:18pm

The second draft seems mostly fine to me. +1 on the if no one is online bit. But the time thing is what ppl seam to hate the most. Looking at it from he defender side for a second.

It’s a builder/war game and this is a pvp server so playing here means you accept the possibility of getting attacked but if your building something nice getting it raised to the ground might not be so nice. Some of Emma’s builds spring to mind. So what then? What if you don’t wan’t to get sieged. I’d still like there to be the three day waiting period at least then. And maybe even some type of chicken out option.

But some times people are ready to go right away and If two parties decide to go to war on Friday why not have the option to fight during the weekend. So there could also add the option of negotiating the time.

Lobstermaster · Dec 4th 2018, 5:56pm

Chicken out option would depend on surrender terms given. I.e pay some requested ransom, or yield said claims. 48hrs is a pretty good span of time for prep, obviously less than 72 but still sufficient without being excessive?

ThePCG · Dec 4th 2018, 9:38pm

Yeah you can always surrender, now will the attacker accept maybe not but most times attacks are usually for something.

ThePCG · Dec 4th 2018, 9:39pm

We don't attack for blood If we attack it's for a good reason, others may but it just shows that not all pvps are out for blood

shad · Dec 4th 2018, 11:15pm

You must have major cause to start a war, such as crucial road blocking, past raiding, two houses claiming the same kingdom, religious conflict, sustained insults and disputes etc. The reasons must be declared and also the terms of surrender. I.e. you must say under what conditions the war can end.

I wouldn't consider someone's bloodlust as major cause for a war though and since you'll have to state under what conditions the war can end, the "chicken out" option is covered as well, as long as the defender is willing to bend his knee accordingly.

Lobstermaster · Dec 4th 2018, 11:27pm

So far as I can tell, everyone seems to be in favor of outlawing offline sieges during war. When will this be implemented?

shad · Dec 4th 2018, 11:31pm

In time

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Lobstermaster · Dec 4th 2018, 11:38pm

In time for the next war?

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